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Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD")
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Introduction

We raise Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD") to help our fellow farmers minimize or eliminate stress (for both the farmer and his animals), and the financial losses from predators. We offer 10 week old puppies who were born and raised with sheep & goats, partially training puppies, experienced adult LGD dogs, and LGD dog training & rehabilitation services.

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After you finish reading all of this info, come back here to make your $100.00 deposit to reserve a puppy.  First come, first served.  The first person to make a deposit gets first pick of all the puppies.  Deposit can be paid via PayPal (see below), or on-line banking to BBay Farm email lgd@blacksbay.com via Interac.

Terms & Conditions:  The $100.00 deposit is non-refundable.  We offer a limited guarantee to sell you a puppy that is healthy, and performs LGD duties for your livestock in a reasonable manner.  From the available puppies in the litter, once your deposit has been paid, you may choose your puppy and attend at our farm for pickup when the puppy is 10 weeks old.  If you have not made your choice by the time the puppies are 9 weeks old, you irrevocably instruct us to choose on your behalf.  If you request and we agree, we can make shipping arrangements to deliver your puppy to you at additional cost ($100.00 fee for our time & effort, plus all costs incurred, paid by you in advance).  The balance owed must be paid in full prior to puppy pickup or shipment.  There are boarding and training fees of $40.00 per week or part thereof for puppies that are not picked up at 10 weeks of age.

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    What We Have To Offer

    Our 2015 litter has been sold to poultry, sheep, & goat farms in Northern Ontario, and  across Canada.

    We expect our next litter of puppies to be born in May 2016, then they will be ready for sale 10 weeks after birth.  The puppies will sell for $800.00 each.  You can put a deposit down on one of the puppies in the next litter(s), then choose your puppy on a "first come, first served" basis once they are born.

    Hybrid puppies from purebred parents of Anatolian Sheppard and AkbashYou will be expected to sign an agreement detailing the costs, risks, covenants, limitations, prohibitions, expectations, indemnifications, and commitments from you and from us, and which offers you our limited guarantee on your puppy's health and livestock guardian capabilities to help ensure your satisfaction.  If you choose not to sign this agreement, the puppy is sold on a "as is, where is" basis with no expectations by you, nor guarantee by us, nor liability on our part.

    Videos

    2015 Puppies, as of 2015/05/09, 9 weeks old

    2014 Puppies for Sale, 9 weeks old as of 2014/12/14 http://youtu.be/5ta7ib6cm4c

    2014 Puppies for Sale (6 weeks old as of 2014/11/23)   http://youtu.be/LS7lc_dTJCk

    2014 Puppies FOR SALE (1 week old)

    2013 Puppies and their Parents

    Anatolian Sheppard (left) and Akbash (right)

    We offer puppies from proven LGD performers, with on-going support and advice during the puppy's first year of training.




    Adult LGD's


    Note that LGD puppies cannot be expected to guard your livestock until they are 1 to 2 years old.  During that period, you will have to protect your LGD puppy as well as your livestock, as predators will first kill your LGD puppy, then start killing your livestock. Unfortunately, if predators are attacking your livestock  today, you need a solution today, not two years from now. 

    For example:

    • We received a call from a sheep farmer.  He and his wife are both on 12 hour shifts around the clock, constantly guarding their sheep in their pasture due to a recent predator threat.  How long will the predators have to be patient before this farmer and his wife are forced to give up this desperate plan to protect their livestock?

    • Another sheep farmer was under such vicious attacks by predators that the lambs were moved into the farm house so as to avoid the merciless attacks by predators every day.

    • Another sheep farmer lost 5 sheep in one night from predators.  The shepherd was choked up  at the terrible mess they had to clean up the next day.  They informed me their special ewes are worth $1,200 each, for a total loss of $6,000.00 in one evening.  They bought one of our adult dogs and the predator problem immediately disappeared.

    To help you avoid these problems, we also have some adult dogs (ie. 1 year or older) for sale or monthly rental.  These adult LGD's have been trained with sheep, goats, and/or poultry (chickens, ducks, geese, &/or turkey), and sell/lease at a price based upon their age & experience.

    We understand these adult dogs cost a lot of money, but we believe these prices fairly compensates us for forgoing the income of selling the puppy the year before, our cost of feeding the dog for the year, and our time to train the dog every day while we awaited your call.

    There is a limited supply of adult dogs ready to attend your livestock predator emergency. Therefore we offer a third option.  If you purchase a puppy now, we can keep that puppy on our farm, and train your puppy for you with your selected animal(s) for up to 2 years, so that you receive a fully trained dog, ready to protect your farm and your livectock.  You would be expected to pay in advance for the puppy, food, and training under a written agreement between us.  You can visit your dog monthly if you wish, or when the dog is fully trained, you can visit our farm to see your dog in action before you take it home with you.  If the interim time, you can defend your livestock the best you can, or lease one or more of our adult LGD to protect your livestock until your puppy is ready to assume its full duties at your farm.  Contact us for details on this option.

    When you purchase a puppy or adult LGD, for an additional fee, we can deliver your LGD to you, and you can see first hand how the dog performs on your farm with your animals.  If you aren't satisfied with the dog's performance, the written agreement between us will define your options for accepting the dog, or rejecting the dog and getting a full refund, or keeping the dog while you get a partial refund.  The cost of the puppy and the training is shown in the following table:

    The 1 yr old trained LGD dogs are $2,500 each.   Our Mature, Fully Trained LGD's FOR SALE

    Full Grown LGD's For Sale
    Bully: 1.5 yr old Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash hybrid LGD for sale Jazmine: 1.5 yr. old Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale Holly: 1.5 yr old Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale
    Bully:   1.5 yr. old male Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD.

    Bully has been sold, and is now working a sheep farm with 100% success.
    Jazmine:   1.5 yr. old female Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale Holly:   1.5 yr. old female Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale

    Puppy Age, Weeks Puppy Age, Years Puppy Sell Price, $
    10 0.19 800.00
    11 0.21 818.25
    12 0.23 836.51
    13 0.25 865.23
    14 0.27 893.96
    15 0.29 922.69
    16 0.31 951.41
    17 0.33 980.14
    18 0.35 1,008.87
    19 0.37 1,037.59
    20 0.38 1,066.32
    21 0.40 1,098.65
    22 0.42 1,130.97
    23 0.44 1,163.30
    24 0.46 1,195.63
    25 0.48 1,227.96
    26 0.50 1,260.29
    27 0.52 1,292.61
    28 0.54 1,324.94
    29 0.56 1,357.27
    30 0.58 1,389.60
    31 0.60 1,421.93
    32 0.62 1,454.25
    33 0.63 1,507.00
    34 0.65 1,559.75
    35 0.67 1,612.49
    36 0.69 1,665.24
    37 0.71 1,717.99
    38 0.73 1,770.73
    39 0.75 1,823.48
    40 0.77 1,876.23
    41 0.79 1,928.98
    42 0.81 1,981.72
    43 0.83 2,034.47
    44 0.85 2,087.22
    45 0.87 2,139.96
    46 0.88 2,192.71
    47 0.90 2,245.46
    48 0.92 2,296.36
    49 0.94 2,347.27
    50 0.96 2,398.18
    51 0.98 2,449.09
    52 1.00 2,500.00

     


    Owners' Feedback on our LGD's

    1. Feedback #1
      "We got home safe and sound,  around 10 last night.. 

       What an amazingly SMART  Boy!!!  He's very comfortable, It seems like he's been here forever already. We've decided to name him [name of puppy].

      He was very good in the car. He slept beside me most of the time. When we stopped for a pit stop he went to the washroom with the other dogs.  He has fit in like family already with our [other dog #1] and [other dog #2].

      He was quite happy and immediately started wagging his tail when we went out to the barn to feed last night. The familiar scents and smells made him quite relaxed in the barn. He and the [farm animal #1] met with no incidents. I let the [farm animal #1] loose in the shedrow with him and they were fine. The [farm animal #2] were quite interested in the newcomer. He was very calm and came in low when meeting everyone. Despite his relaxed attitude, the [one of the farm animal's #2], who is just that kind of a guy, bunted him once.

      He was given a couple of toys. He's quite content just laying around with them watching tv. He slept beside me on the bed all night. He moved a couple of times and checked on us but other than that, slept well. We just got up. I immediately got dressed and went outside with him, were he did his business right away with [other dog #1]. And all is right with the world.

      Thank-you for raising such a beautiful, smart animal. 
      I will keep in touch and will send pics."

      Feedback #2

      "Thanks glenn. Can't believe how intelligent this pup is, she is so easy to train. ... Would take a second one ,only I think my wife wouild divorce me.  Don't get me wrong she loves the pup as well.... my neighbour loves her. Working on him. He would [love to buy a puppy too], his wife needs the convincing."

      Feedback #33 puppies in corner of goat corral
      Another new owner said:   "Just wanted to give you an update. We named our boy "Capone", he didn't take the drive [home from your place] very well lol, but we survived. He is fitting in very nicely, the big dog loves him. He is very close to me and follows me everywhere. He is a nice calm boy, and is quite relaxed here. We haven't introduced him to the horses just yet as I'm a bit nervous of him getting stepped on, and it's been too cold. This weekend it's supposed to warm up, so we may do it then."
    Because the puppies were all raised outside with our goats and sheep, they prefer doing their business on dirt, grass, and snow.  Roy also reports that his puppy was automatically housebroken, he just had to take his puppy outside on a regular basis.  Your experience may be different, but this should help advance the house breaking process.

    Feedback #4

    We shipped a puppy by air freight to Manitoba for a sheep farmer.  We heard back the next week that they love their new puppy.  We were also informed that their farm was visited by a bull moose (an animal that stands 7 ft tall and likely weighs more than 2,000 lbs.).  The 14 week old LGD puppy alerted about the unwanted visitor, then chased the moose off the farm.


    Why Livestock Guardian Dogs?

    Cooperative Research Centre, Government of Australia says:

    "Livestock guardian dogs have been bred to be inoffensive to stock in their appearance (for example, they have floppy ears) and behaviour. They avoid direct confrontation with livestock, do not show ‘eye’ or stalk behaviour, and generally are very calm around stock. Those traits allow these dogs to integrate themselves with groups of livestock, be accepted by them and live amongst them."

    If you lose more than 2 babies (ie. lamps, kids, calves) to predators in a year, it likely would have been cheaper to buy a Livestock Guardian Dog that to suffer these losses.

    Why We Decided to Get LGD's for our Farm

    All of our livestock are free range, meaning they spend most of lives outside on their own, so they are at maximum risk from hungry predators.

    A few years ago, before we had LGD's, I was outside with the chickens during the day, when a coyote ran out of the woods just 30 yards from me, and grabbed one of our layer hens.  The hen screamed in terror, then I screamed, and ran towards the coyote.  The coyote dropped the chicken and ran away.  The chicken ran back to the coop while I chased the coyote.  I'm not sure what I would have done if I caught up with the coyote, or if it turned to stand its ground against me.

    A few months later, we suffered a black bear attack on our chickens, ducks, geese and turkeys.  We decided we had to do something.

    After considerable research into fencing, noise makers, llamas, donkeys. hunting, trapping, and poisons, we decided LGD's were the best overall option.

    When we looked at the various breeds of LGD, and we decided that Anatolian Sheppard and Akbash dogs were the best bet.  We decided that hybrid puppies from these pure bred parents could achieve the best of both these breeds.

    These are livestock protection dogs ("LPD's"), which are very different from domestic pets, hunting dogs, and herding dogs.


    Noelle: Mother of our Puppies, Anatolian Sheppard

    Our Experiences with LGD's

    Since getting our LGD's, we have had zero losses from bear, wolf, coyote, skunk, or raccoon attacks on our livestock (chickens, ducks, geese, turkeys, and goats).

    That doesn't mean there have been no attempts against our livestock.  We are often woken up in the middle of the night by the dogs barking alerts to unwanted invaders.  On one occassion that seemed to be especially upsetting to the dogs and of extrodinary long duration, I got up, dressed, and went out into a blizzard at 3:00 AM with my .308 rifle and the most powerful flashlight we had.  I soon saw why the dogs were so upset.  A huge timber wolf lopped by me about 25 yards away.  I pulled my rifle close to me, took off the safety, and waited for what came next.  The wolf turned to look at me, but kept going.  A few seconds later, Nick our pure white Akbash LGD trotted by as he followed the wolf's tail.  Nick turned to look at me standing there like the village idiot in a blizzard.  He was on the job, so Nick couldn't stay to socialize.  All I got from him was a look, the ears went up for a second, he wagged his tail, and continued following the wolf; escorting our unwanted visitor off the property.  I went back to bed.  The barking ended about 15 minutes after I left the scene.

    Wolves and coyotes realize that there are plenty of deer, rabbits, etc. in the woods who are defenceless against them.  Our livestock are protected, and claimed by our resident pack of LGD's.  Invading the LGD's territory is very dangerous.  If a wolf or coyote is injured in a territorial dispute, or while trying to outsmart the LGD's, it is certain death for the predator, as they will be unable to hunt for food while in a wounded condition.

    That's why they don't risk a confrontation with a LGD.

    A few short stories about our LGD's might help you to better understand LGD's and what they can do for you.

    Breach of Trust    We use our dogs to guard our goats and poultry.  We had a student living with us for 2 months, and she was tending the animals every day for that 2 months.  We trained her that the dogs are in charge of the goat pasture, and she was to "ask permission" of the dogs to enter their pasture, done by waiting at the gate until the dogs were satisfied there was no threat to the goats by her arrival.  A few days after her arrival, the dogs accepted her, and she could enter the goat pasture without me being there.  The dogs learned to trust her.  After a few weeks, she was very comfortable with the goats & dogs, and they with her.  Then one day towards the end of her 2 month stay, she had all the goats in the corral, but one goat escaped on her.  She started chasing the escaped goat to get it back into the corral.  The dogs did not like her chasing the goats, as the dogs are there to protect the goats, she was threatening & harassing the escaped goat, and the escaped goat was becoming more and more upset at being chased by her, and the dogs realized that no goat should be upset.  The dogs started to bark at the student, warning her she had better stop chasing and worrying the escaped goat.  Fortunately, she stopped chasing the escaped goat.  The dogs calmed down immediately, but watched her very carefully for the rest of her time in the goat pasture that day.  The next day, the dogs alerted (ie. started barking) as she came near the goat pasture, just as if she was a total stranger.  The dogs no longer trusted her automatically.  She had to talk soothingly to them for about 5 minutes before she was allowed to enter the goat pasture.  She had broken the bonds of trust she had established with the dogs and goats (ie. 1.5 months to establish, broken in 1 minute) by the goat chasing incident the previous day.  After a few days, the dogs learned to trust her again, and she was welcomed eagerly by the dogs each morning.  Hopefully, this short story tells you of the loyalty to the dog's assigned Mission in life (ie. protect their goats) and the intelligence of these dogs.

    In other words, the dogs "own" the goats, are fully responsible for the safety and happiness of the goats, and protect their goats from all hazards.  They are totally dedicated to their Mission.

    I suggest that one of our dogs will defend you, your farm, your animals, your home, and your property in a similar way to how these dogs defend their goats.

    Dogs Know Best    One day, I heard a lot of barking and went to see what was the matter.  Nick, our big male, had his head stuck inside the chicken's trap door (a 1 ft. x 1 ft. door to let the chickens in & out) of the chicken coop, and was continuously barking.  This was very abnormal behaviour for Nick.  I yelled at Nick to stop, he heard me, pulled his head out, wagged his tail at me, then stuck his head back into the trap door, and continued barking.  So much for blind obedience of his master's commands.  I opened the man door on the chicken coop, and almost had my head taken off by something big and black that came out of the coop, knocking me backwards.  It was a crow that had snuck into the chicken coop to steal some eggs.  As soon as the crow came out, Nick pulled his head out of the coop, and followed the crow to the nearby tree where the crow had perched.  Nick continued to bark.  The crow sat there for about two minutes, then gave up on stealing any more eggs, and flew off.  Nick chased the crow all the way to the edge of our property, barking all the way.  Ever since, any crow flying over our property immediately puts Nick into high alert.  He taught himself to be wary of crows, as he recognized that the crow does not belong inside the coop.  Very intelligent dogs, who are very aware of their surroundings.  Note that they think for themselves (ie. they will take what you say under advisement, then decide what is best under the circumstances, in this case, Nick knew more than what I did, so he continued to do what was best, and I eventually caught up with him and his better knowledge).

    If that is the kind of dog you seek, look no further.

    Our Neighbours' Experiences without LGD's

    Locally, farmers do dairy, cow-calf, poultry, pigs, horses.

    One neighbour lost their entire flock of geese, one bird every other day, till they were all gone. They had no protection for their animals other than hope & prayers.

    Another neighbour has sheep.  She lost about 30 or so sheep a few years ago to predators.  The slaughter sickened her, and badly hurt her finances.  She had to do something to stop the wolf and coyote attacks.  She decided to get a protection llama, which has significantly reduced her losses, but coyotes and wolves still attack, and her losses to predators continue, albeit at reduced levels.

    Available Solutions to Control Predators

    Some solutions are better than others..  Some ideas seem like a good idea, but experience eventually has taught the unfortunate farmer a tough lesson that simple, obvious solutions are sometimes wrong, and may be disasterous.

    The typical solutions to protect farm animals ranges from:

    • Do nothing, other than hope & pray for the best
    • Keep farm animals inside barns
    • Attack-resistant fences
    • Trappers
    • Hunters
    • Farmers with firearms
    • Lights &/or noisemakers
    • Llamas
    • Donkeys
    • Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD")

    Farm Dogs, Herding Dogs Vs. Livestock Guardian Dogs

    There are many different types of dogs used on farms.  Collies have been excellent dogs for herding livestock to move them.  However, when left alone, these herding dogs tend to naturally try herding the livestock on a frequent or continuous basis.  When livestock are being actively herded, they cannot graze the pasture as effectively.  Secondly, the herding raises the stress levels in the livestock.  Both of these mean poorer quality meat and slower weight gain; both of which cost you money.

    Alternatively, Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD") will usually only disturb the livestock's grazing activities when there is an active threat from a predator.  LGD's pick a spot amongst the livestock where they can lay down, keep an eye on all of the  grazing livestock, as well as see, hear, and smell any threats that are approaching.  After being awake all night when the threats are greatest, the LGD's will pick safe times during the day to grab some sleep.  When no threats are detected, the LGD's will catch 40 winks of sleep during the day while the livestock graze.  

    Dogs have many different barks.  The livestock soon recognize the difference between the LGD predator barking vs. all other types of barks.  Soon after the introduction of LGD and a few threat events, the grazing animals will immediately stop grazing and look around when the LGD's bark an alert.  Sometimes the livestock will immediately run back to their coral/barn when they become aware of the threat.  The LGD's will usually cover the livestock's retreat to their barn.

    LGD's, when trained properly, are not attack dogs.  LGD's prefer to alert and do strategic retreats, until they are unable to retreat any more, then they will defend their livestock with their lives.  Llamas and donkeys will sometines defend, but once the going gets rough, they will save themselves, and the livestock are left defenceless.

    Why Not Donkeys or Llamas?

    Mother Earth News says:

    "Not all donkeys will confront canines, choosing to flee instead. Some donkeys will ignore threats to the other animals in their pasture and only react if they themselves are threatened...Donkeys make acceptable guardians of sheep, goats and calves...Donkeys cannot deal with multiple canine attackers or against wolves, bears, feral hogs, or mountain lions. Donkeys also don’t typically protect against small predators, such as raccoons, or against large birds."

    The Donkey Sanctuary of Canada says:

    "We will not place donkeys at farms for the purpose of being guardians to other animals.

    Generally, it is a misconception that all donkeys make good guardian animals - it all depends on the individual donkey's personality and temperament. A jack (intact male) should never be used as a guardian animal - his play is much too vigorous for other livestock, and he may end up injuring or even killing other animals, especially goats and sheep. Even jennies (female donkeys) and gelded males may not be suitable as guardians for this same reason.

    In order to be good guardians, donkeys must have the right disposition and form a strong bond with the other animals on the farm. It is unreasonable to expect a new donkey to guard other animals it does not know. We have rescued many donkeys that were originally acquired to be guardians, but did not meet the expectations of their new owners."

    We believe the same logic for donkeys applies equally well to llamas.

    Donkeys and llamas likely compete for the same grass as your other animals.  Your land is one of your most expensive investments, and therefore the grass that your land produces is equally expensive and limited in quantity.  The donkey eating the grass means over-grazing, or fewer of your livestock that your pastures can support.  Either way, donkeys and llamas are not "free" to keep.

    If you have never had a predator problem, good fencing with a donkey or llama may be enough to ensure you never start having a predator problem.  However, once a predation has started (and bad habits of coyotes, wolves, bear, and others have already formed), only exclusion barriers  (ie. barns, animal-proof fencing, etc.), trapping, shooting, or LGD's will stop the problem from continuing.  For a healthy environment, LGD's allow all species to co-exist in harmony and balance, but without on-going losses.

    Hunting & Trapping

    Hunting and trapping by definition will continue to de-stabilize the local wildlife as new breeding pairs enter the vacuum created by the trapping and hunting success that may have occurred.

    For example, if you shoot every coyote on sight, no questions asked, you may create a bigger problem.  For example, the coyote currently resident around your farm keeps all other coyotes away from its territory.  Your coyote may have developed a very strong taste and skill for hunting rabbits.  If you shoot your coyote, neighbouring coyotes will naturally expand their territory to fill the vacuum left by your shooting.  Your new coyote may come with a pre-established preference for your farm animals.  Soon, you will wish you had kept your original coyote who loved eating rabbits.

    Hunting and trapping is like taking a bucket of water out of a flowing stream.  There is always another bucketfull of water from the flowing stream that immediately takes its place.  So too with the hunting of wolves and coyotes.  If an animal is killed or removed, everybody else shifts position to cover the available territory.

    If you are farming and need LGD for livestock protection, now is the time to get them, as when the wolf and coyote pups come in the Spring, they'll have many mouths to feed, and that means lots of missing farm animals.

    The guard dog needs at least 3 months orientation before they'll be ready, and you will have to support them and train them until they are fully grown and experienced.

    Why Bother With Animal Protection when the Government Compensates me for my Losses to Predators?

    Ontario Ministry of Agriculture only partially compensates farmers for attacks on their livestock under the Ontario Wildlife Damage Compensation Program.

    OMAFRA reports that from 2007 to 2010, the number of attacks on farm animals is up 30.9%, the number of farm animals that were injured or killed has increased 34.8%, and the financial compensation paid to farmers has increased by 40.6%.  It is obvious that a better solution is needed.  That is what LGD is all about.

    For example, a ewe sheep earns a maximum of $200 compensation if the farmer reports the loss within 48 hrs., and provides the ewe's carcus for inspection and confirmation that it was an attack by a wild animal.  No ewe carcus for inspection, no compensation. As any sheep farmer knows, a good ewe is worth a lot more than $200 

    How many LGD's do I need?

    Spike Collar on Livestock Guardian Dog, protecting dog in case of wolf, bear or coyote attack

    LGD dogs work best as a pair.

    Coyotes are very smart, and can circle and gang up on a single dog.

    Another tactic of coyotes is to make a significant feigned attack on one side of the flock so as to grab the dog's attention, while there is a sneak attack at the other side of the flock. 

    With a single dog that could be attacked by a pack of predators, you may want to get them a spiked collar.  Spiked collars are also good to limit excessive interactions in the pecking order of multiple LGD's. 

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