Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD") to help our fellow farmers minimize or
stress (for both the farmer and his animals), and the financial
losses from predators. We offer 10 week old puppies who were born and
raised with sheep & goats, partially training
puppies, experienced adult LGD dogs, and LGD dog training &
After you finish reading
all of this info, come back here to make your $100.00 deposit to
puppy. First come, first served. The first person
to make a deposit gets first pick of all the puppies. Deposit
can be paid via PayPal (see below), or on-line banking to BBay Farm
is non-refundable. We offer a limited guarantee
to sell you a puppy that is
healthy, and performs LGD duties for your livestock in a reasonable
manner. From the available puppies in the litter, once your
deposit has been paid, you may choose your puppy and attend at our
farm for pickup when the puppy is 10 weeks old. If you have not
made your choice by the time the puppies are 9 weeks old, you
irrevocably instruct us to choose on your behalf. If you request
and we agree, we can make shipping arrangements to deliver your puppy
to you at additional cost ($100.00 fee for our time & effort, plus
all costs incurred, paid by you in advance). The balance
owed must be paid in full prior to puppy pickup
shipment. There are boarding and training fees of $40.00 per week
or part thereof for puppies that are not picked up at 10 weeks of age.
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What We Have To Offer
2015 litter has been sold to poultry, sheep, & goat farms in
Northern Ontario, and across Canada.
expect our next litter
of puppies to be born in May 2016, then they will be ready for sale 10
weeks after birth. The puppies will sell for $800.00
each. You can put a deposit down on one of the puppies in the
next litter(s), then choose your puppy on a "first come, first served"
basis once they are born.
will be expected to sign an agreement detailing the costs, risks, covenants,
limitations, prohibitions, expectations, indemnifications,
and commitments from you and from us, and which offers you our limited guarantee on
puppy's health and livestock guardian capabilities to help ensure your
satisfaction. If you choose not to sign this agreement, the puppy is sold on a "as is, where is" basis with no expectations by you, nor guarantee by us, nor liability on our part.
offer puppies from proven LGD performers, with on-going support and
advice during the puppy's first year of training.
that LGD puppies cannot be expected to guard your livestock until they
are 1 to 2 years old. During that period, you will have to
your LGD puppy as well as your livestock, as predators will first kill
your LGD puppy, then start killing your livestock. Unfortunately, if
predators are attacking your livestock today, you need a
today, not two years from now.
We received a call from a
sheep farmer. He and his wife
are both on 12 hour shifts around the clock, constantly
sheep in their pasture due to a recent predator threat. How
the predators have to be patient before this farmer and his wife are
forced to give up this desperate plan to protect their livestock?
sheep farmer was under such vicious attacks by predators that the lambs
were moved into the farm house so as to avoid the merciless attacks by
predators every day.
sheep farmer lost 5 sheep in one night from predators. The
was choked up at the terrible mess they had to clean up the
me their special ewes are worth $1,200 each, for a total loss of
$6,000.00 in one evening. They bought one of our adult dogs
predator problem immediately disappeared.
To help you avoid these
also have some adult dogs (ie. 1 year or older) for sale or monthly rental. These adult LGD's have been
with sheep, goats, and/or poultry (chickens, ducks, geese, &/or
turkey), and sell/lease at a price based upon their age & experience.
We understand these adult
dogs cost a lot of
money, but we believe these prices fairly compensates us for forgoing the income
of selling the puppy the year before, our cost of feeding the dog for the year, and
our time to train the dog every day while we awaited your call.
is a limited supply of adult dogs ready to attend your livestock
predator emergency. Therefore we offer a third option. If
you purchase a puppy now, we can keep that puppy on our farm, and train
your puppy for you with your
selected animal(s) for up to 2 years, so that you receive a fully
trained dog, ready to protect your farm and your livectock.
be expected to pay in advance for the puppy, food, and training under a
written agreement between us. You can visit your dog monthly
wish, or when the dog is fully trained, you can
visit our farm to see your dog in action before you take it home with
you. If the interim time, you can defend your livestock the best
you can, or lease one or more of our adult LGD to protect your
livestock until your puppy is ready to assume its full duties at your
farm. Contact us for details on this option.
When you purchase a puppy or adult LGD, for an additional fee, we can deliver your LGD to you,
and you can see first hand how the dog performs on your farm with your
If you aren't satisfied with the dog's performance, the
agreement between us will define your options for accepting the dog, or rejecting
the dog and getting a
full refund, or keeping the dog while you get a partial
cost of the puppy and the training is shown in the following table:
Bully: 1.5 yr. old male
Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD.
Bully has been sold, and is now working a sheep farm with 100% success.
Jazmine: 1.5 yr. old
Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale
Holly: 1.5 yr. old female
Anatolian Shepherd-Akbash Hybrid LGD for Sale
Puppy Sell Price, $
Owners' Feedback on our LGD's
"We got home safe and sound,
around 10 last night..
What an amazingly SMART
Boy!!! He's very comfortable, It seems like he's
been here forever already. We've decided to name him [name of puppy].
He was very good in the car. He slept
beside me most of the time. When we stopped for a pit stop he went to
the washroom with the other dogs. He has fit in like family
already with our [other dog #1] and [other dog #2].
He was quite happy and immediately started
wagging his tail when we went out to the barn to feed last night. The
familiar scents and smells made him quite relaxed in the barn. He and
the [farm animal #1] met with no incidents. I let the [farm animal #1]
loose in the shedrow with him and they were fine. The [farm animal #2]
were quite interested in the newcomer. He was very calm and came in low
when meeting everyone. Despite his relaxed attitude, the [one of the
farm animal's #2], who is just that kind of a guy, bunted him once.
He was given a couple of toys. He's quite
content just laying around with them watching tv. He slept beside me on
the bed all night. He moved a couple of times and checked on us but
other than that, slept well. We just got up. I immediately got dressed
and went outside with him, were he did his business right away with
[other dog #1]. And all is right with the world.
Thank-you for raising such a beautiful,
I will keep in touch and will send pics."
"Thanks glenn. Can't believe how
intelligent this pup is, she is so easy to train. ... Would take a
second one ,only I think my wife wouild divorce me. Don't get
me wrong she loves the pup as well.... my neighbour loves her. Working
on him. He would [love to buy a puppy too], his wife needs the
new owner said: "Just
wanted to give you an update. We named our boy "Capone", he didn't take
the drive [home from your place] very well lol, but we survived. He is
fitting in very nicely, the big dog loves him. He is very close to me
and follows me everywhere. He is a nice calm boy, and is quite relaxed
here. We haven't introduced him to the horses just yet as I'm a bit
nervous of him getting stepped on, and it's been too cold. This weekend
it's supposed to warm up, so we may do it then."
Because the puppies were all raised outside with our goats and sheep, they prefer
doing their business on dirt, grass, and snow. Roy also
reports that his puppy was automatically housebroken, he just had to
take his puppy outside on a regular basis. Your experience
may be different, but this should help advance the house breaking
shipped a puppy by air freight to Manitoba for a sheep farmer. We
heard back the next week that they love their new puppy. We were
also informed that their farm was visited by a bull moose (an animal
that stands 7 ft tall and likely weighs more than 2,000 lbs.).
The 14 week old LGD puppy alerted about the unwanted visitor,
then chased the moose off the farm.
guardian dogs have been bred to be inoffensive to stock in their
appearance (for example, they have floppy ears) and behaviour. They
avoid direct confrontation with livestock, do not show ‘eye’ or stalk
behaviour, and generally are very calm around stock. Those traits allow
these dogs to integrate themselves with groups of livestock, be
accepted by them and live amongst them."
If you lose
more than 2 babies (ie. lamps, kids, calves) to predators
in a year, it likely
would have been cheaper to buy a Livestock Guardian Dog that to suffer
Why We Decided to Get LGD's for
All of our livestock are
free range, meaning they spend most of
lives outside on their own, so they are at maximum risk from
A few years ago, before
we had LGD's, I
was outside with the chickens during the day, when a coyote
ran out of
the woods just 30 yards from me, and grabbed one of our layer hens.
The hen screamed in terror, then I screamed, and ran
towards the coyote. The coyote
dropped the chicken and ran away. The chicken ran back to the
coop while I chased the coyote. I'm not sure what I would
have done if I caught up with the coyote, or if it turned to stand its
ground against me.
A few months later, we
suffered a black bear attack on our chickens, ducks, geese and
turkeys. We decided we had to do something.
into fencing, noise makers, llamas, donkeys. hunting, trapping, and
poisons, we decided LGD's were the best overall option.
When we looked at the
various breeds of LGD, and we decided that Anatolian Sheppard and
dogs were the best bet. We decided that hybrid puppies from
these pure bred parents could achieve the best of both these breeds.
These are livestock
protection dogs ("LPD's"), which are very different from domestic pets,
dogs, and herding dogs.
Since getting our LGD's,
we have had zero losses from bear, wolf, coyote, skunk, or raccoon
attacks on our livestock (chickens, ducks, geese, turkeys, and goats).
That doesn't mean there
have been no attempts against our livestock. We are often
woken up in the middle of the night by the dogs barking alerts to
unwanted invaders. On one occassion that seemed to be
especially upsetting to the dogs and of extrodinary long duration, I
got up, dressed, and went out into a blizzard at 3:00 AM with my .308
rifle and the most powerful flashlight we had. I soon saw why
the dogs were so upset. A huge timber wolf lopped by me about
25 yards away. I pulled my rifle close to me, took off the
safety, and waited for what came next. The wolf turned to
look at me, but kept going. A few seconds later, Nick our
pure white Akbash LGD trotted by as he followed the wolf's tail.
Nick turned to look at me standing there like the village
idiot in a blizzard. He was on the job, so Nick couldn't stay
to socialize. All I got from him was a look, the ears went up
for a second, he wagged his tail, and continued following the wolf;
escorting our unwanted visitor off the property. I went back
to bed. The barking ended about 15 minutes after I left the
Wolves and coyotes
realize that there are plenty of deer, rabbits, etc. in the woods who
are defenceless against them. Our livestock are protected,
and claimed by our resident pack of LGD's. Invading the LGD's
territory is very dangerous. If a wolf or coyote is injured
in a territorial dispute, or while trying to outsmart the LGD's, it is
certain death for the predator, as they will be unable to hunt for food
while in a wounded condition.
That's why they don't
confrontation with a LGD.
few short stories about our LGD's might help you to better understand
LGD's and what they can do for you.
We use our dogs to guard our goats and poultry. We had a
living with us for 2 months, and she was tending the animals every day
for that 2 months. We trained her that the dogs are in charge
the goat pasture, and she was to "ask permission" of the dogs to enter
their pasture, done by waiting at the gate until the dogs were
satisfied there was no threat to the goats by her arrival. A
days after her arrival, the dogs accepted her, and she could enter the
goat pasture without me being there. The dogs learned to
her. After a few weeks, she was very comfortable with the
& dogs, and they with her. Then one day towards the
her 2 month stay, she had all the goats in the corral, but one goat
escaped on her. She started chasing the escaped goat to get
back into the corral. The dogs did not like her chasing the
goats, as the dogs are there to protect the goats, she was threatening
& harassing the escaped goat, and the escaped goat was becoming
more and more upset at being chased by her, and the dogs realized that
no goat should be upset. The dogs started to bark at the
warning her she had better stop chasing and worrying the escaped
goat. Fortunately, she stopped chasing the escaped
The dogs calmed down immediately, but watched her very carefully for
the rest of her time in the goat pasture that day. The next
the dogs alerted (ie. started barking) as she came near the goat
pasture, just as if she was a total stranger. The dogs no
trusted her automatically. She had to talk soothingly to them
about 5 minutes before she was allowed to enter the goat
She had broken the bonds of trust she had established with the dogs and
goats (ie. 1.5 months to establish, broken in 1 minute) by the goat
chasing incident the previous day. After a few days, the dogs
learned to trust her again, and she was welcomed eagerly by the dogs
each morning. Hopefully, this short story tells you of the
loyalty to the dog's assigned Mission in life (ie. protect their goats)
and the intelligence of these dogs.
In other words, the dogs
"own" the goats, are fully responsible for the safety and happiness of
the goats, and protect their goats from all hazards. They are
totally dedicated to their Mission.
I suggest that one of our
dogs will defend you, your farm, your animals, your home, and your
property in a similar way to how these dogs defend their goats.
One day, I heard a lot of barking and went to see what was the
matter. Nick, our big male, had his head stuck inside the
chicken's trap door (a 1 ft. x 1 ft. door to let the chickens in
out) of the chicken coop, and was continuously barking. This
very abnormal behaviour for Nick. I yelled at Nick to stop,
heard me, pulled his head out, wagged his tail at me, then stuck his
head back into the trap door, and continued barking. So much
blind obedience of his master's commands. I opened the man
on the chicken coop, and almost had my head taken off by something big
and black that came out of the coop, knocking me backwards.
was a crow that had snuck into the chicken coop to steal some
eggs. As soon as the crow came out, Nick pulled his head out
the coop, and followed the crow to the nearby tree where the crow had
perched. Nick continued to bark. The crow sat there
about two minutes, then gave up on stealing any more eggs, and flew
off. Nick chased the crow all the way to the edge of our
property, barking all the way. Ever since, any crow flying
our property immediately puts Nick into high alert. He taught
himself to be wary of crows, as he recognized that the crow does not
belong inside the coop. Very intelligent dogs, who are very
of their surroundings. Note that they think for themselves
they will take what you say under advisement, then decide what is best
under the circumstances, in this case, Nick knew more than what I did,
so he continued to do what was best, and I eventually caught up with
him and his better knowledge).
If that is the kind of dog you seek, look no further.
Experiences without LGD's
Locally, farmers do
dairy, cow-calf, poultry, pigs, horses.
One neighbour lost their
entire flock of geese, one bird every other day, till they were all
gone. They had no protection for their animals other than hope
Another neighbour has
sheep. She lost about 30 or so sheep a few years ago
The slaughter sickened her, and badly hurt her finances.
She had to do something to stop the wolf and coyote attacks.
She decided to get a protection llama, which has
reduced her losses, but coyotes and wolves still attack, and
her losses to predators continue, albeit at reduced levels.
Solutions to Control Predators
solutions are better than others.. Some ideas seem like a
idea, but experience eventually has taught the unfortunate farmer a
tough lesson that simple, obvious solutions are sometimes wrong, and
may be disasterous.
The typical solutions to
farm animals ranges from:
nothing, other than hope & pray for the best
farm animals inside barns
Guardian Dogs ("LGD")
Dogs, Herding Dogs Vs. Livestock Guardian Dogs
are many different types of dogs used on farms. Collies have
excellent dogs for herding livestock to move them. However,
left alone, these herding dogs tend to naturally try herding the
livestock on a frequent or continuous basis. When
are being actively herded, they cannot graze the pasture as
effectively. Secondly, the herding raises the stress levels
the livestock. Both of these mean poorer quality meat and
weight gain; both of which cost you money.
Livestock Guardian Dogs ("LGD") will usually only disturb the
livestock's grazing activities when there is an active threat from a
predator. LGD's pick a spot amongst the livestock where they
lay down, keep an eye on all of the grazing livestock, as
see, hear, and smell any threats that are approaching. After
being awake all night when the threats are greatest, the LGD's will
pick safe times during the day to grab some sleep. When no
threats are detected, the LGD's will catch 40 winks of sleep during the
day while the livestock graze.
have many different barks. The livestock soon recognize the
difference between the LGD predator barking vs. all other types of
barks. Soon after the introduction of LGD and a few threat
events, the grazing animals will immediately stop grazing and look
around when the LGD's bark an alert. Sometimes the livestock
immediately run back to their coral/barn when they become aware of the
threat. The LGD's will usually cover the livestock's retreat
properly, are not attack dogs. LGD's prefer to alert and do
strategic retreats, until they are unable to retreat any more, then
they will defend their livestock with their lives. Llamas and
donkeys will sometines defend, but once the going gets rough, they will
save themselves, and the livestock are left defenceless.
donkeys will confront canines, choosing to flee instead. Some donkeys
will ignore threats to the other animals in their pasture and only
react if they themselves are threatened...Donkeys make acceptable
guardians of sheep, goats and calves...Donkeys cannot deal with
multiple canine attackers or against wolves, bears, feral hogs, or
mountain lions. Donkeys also don’t typically protect against small
predators, such as raccoons, or against large birds."
"We will not
place donkeys at farms for the purpose of being guardians to other
it is a misconception that all donkeys make good guardian animals - it
all depends on the individual donkey's personality and temperament. A
jack (intact male) should never be used as a guardian animal - his play
is much too vigorous for other livestock, and he may end up injuring or
even killing other animals, especially goats and sheep. Even jennies
(female donkeys) and gelded males may not be suitable as guardians for
this same reason.
order to be good guardians, donkeys must have the right disposition and
form a strong bond with the other animals on the farm. It is
unreasonable to expect a new donkey to guard other animals it does not
know. We have rescued many donkeys that were originally acquired to be
guardians, but did not meet the expectations of their new owners."
believe the same logic for donkeys applies equally well to llamas.
and llamas likely compete for the same grass as your other animals.
Your land is one of your most
expensive investments, and therefore the grass
that your land produces is equally expensive and limited in quantity.
The donkey eating the grass means over-grazing, or fewer of
your livestock that your pastures can support. Either way,
donkeys and llamas are not "free" to keep.
you have never had a predator problem, good fencing with a donkey or
llama may be enough to ensure you never start having a predator
problem. However, once a predation has started (and bad
habits of coyotes, wolves, bear, and others have already formed), only
exclusion barriers (ie. barns, animal-proof fencing, etc.),
trapping, shooting, or LGD's will stop the problem from continuing.
For a healthy environment, LGD's allow all species to
co-exist in harmony and balance, but without on-going losses.
Hunting & Trapping
and trapping by definition will continue to de-stabilize the local
wildlife as new breeding pairs enter the vacuum created by the trapping
and hunting success that may have occurred.
example, if you shoot every coyote on sight, no questions asked, you
may create a bigger problem. For example, the coyote
resident around your farm keeps all other coyotes away from its
territory. Your coyote may have developed a very strong taste
skill for hunting rabbits. If you shoot your coyote,
coyotes will naturally expand their territory to fill the vacuum left
by your shooting. Your new coyote may come with a
preference for your farm animals. Soon, you will wish you had
kept your original coyote who loved eating rabbits.
and trapping is like taking a bucket of
water out of a flowing stream. There is always another
bucketfull of water from the flowing stream that immediately takes its
place. So too with the
hunting of wolves and coyotes. If an animal is killed or
removed, everybody else shifts position to cover the available
If you are farming and
need LGD for livestock protection, now is the time to get them, as
when the wolf and coyote pups come in the Spring, they'll have many
mouths to feed, and that means lots of missing farm animals.
The guard dog needs at
least 3 months orientation before they'll be ready, and you will have
to support them and train them until they are fully grown and
Bother With Animal Protection when the Government Compensates me for
2007 to 2010, the number of attacks on farm animals is up 30.9%, the
number of farm animals
that were injured or killed has increased 34.8%, and the financial
compensation paid to farmers has increased by 40.6%. It is
obvious that a better solution is needed. That is what LGD is
a ewe sheep earns a maximum of $200 compensation if the farmer reports
the loss within 48 hrs., and provides the ewe's carcus for inspection
confirmation that it was an attack by a wild animal. No ewe
carcus for inspection, no compensation. As any sheep farmer
knows, a good ewe is worth a lot more than $200
How many LGD's do I
LGD dogs work best as a
Coyotes are very smart,
and can circle and gang up on a
Another tactic of coyotes
is to make a significant feigned
attack on one side of the flock so as to grab the dog's attention,
while there is a sneak attack at the other side of the flock.
With a single dog that
could be attacked by a pack of predators, you may want to get them a
spiked collar. Spiked collars are also good to limit
excessive interactions in the pecking order of multiple LGD's.
Bear Dogs: A Silvacultural Tool
Sheep farming on Crown land in BC Canada, or for tree
are constantly exposed to the risk of wild animals, especially bears.
LGD's help manage the risk, protecting the sheep, the
workers, and the bears. Without the LGD's, many more bears
get into trouble and have to be shot.
Study: Anatolian Kangal
dogs are donated under the South
African National Parks Anatolian Ahepherd Project to
livestock farmers who live next to a wild animal game preserve.
ensure that endangered species from the National Park no longer wander
out of the park and into the farmer's livestock. Before
getting LGD's, farmers would continuously lose
animals to the wild animals drifting off from the game preserve to the
ready source of farmed food, the farmers would suffer the economic
loss, and the wild animal predators are in
turn threatened when the farmers defend their livestock.
the LGD's, everybody stays happy and alive. See: